The USDA still wants you on a plate that looks like a kindergarten art project. Eat the rainbow. Trust the pyramid. Sprinkle some seed oil on the whole thing and call it science.
Four doctors on YouTube looked at that plate, looked at their patients, and walked the other way. They do not agree on the condiments. They agree on the main course. The fact is every doctor starts off as a Big Pharma doctor, touting the BS that they are told in medical school, and enforced by medical boards all over the nation. Even when their advice kills you slowly, as much of the advice peddled today does.
Dr. Anthony Chaffee in Perth. Dr. Ken Berry in Tennessee. Dr. Sean O’Mara, the Army colonel who now talks visceral fat and sauerkraut to cabinet officials. Bart Kay, the New Zealand physiologist who treats nutrition influencers the way a farm dog treats a raccoon. RFK Jr is now a carnivore, and goes along with Dr. Sean O’Mara and his idea for ferments. Let’s take a look.
All four say the same first sentence: humans do best on animal food. After that, the civil war on the carnivore side starts.
They agree more than they fight
Chaffee, Berry, O’Mara, and Kay all treat the modern grocery aisle as a crime scene. Sugar, seed oils, and boxed “heart healthy” starch sit in the dock. Meat does not. This is all planned by the designers of these stores. It is getting harder and harder to find actual real food that is healthy for humans.
They all treat agriculture as the late arrival. Two million years of hunting. Ten thousand years of grain. Fifty years of industrial sludge. Guess which era invented type 2 diabetes as a lifestyle. You got it. There is a lot of BS out there from your own doctor. If you are on a statin for cholesterol, well, maybe you need to see this – CLICK HERE. Your Big Pharma doctor may not be helping you at all. Listen to the logic, You might save your life. Back to Carnivores… of which I am one.
They all tell you to stop counting calories like a prisoner and start asking whether the food is even food. Fatty ruminant meat first. Eggs if you tolerate them. Salt and water. Then the argument begins. The great debate can be seen on videos all over Rumble and YouTube. Below I’ll post a few important vids that you can dive into.
Watch the four channels and you hear the same ancestral drum. Inuit. Maasai. Plains bison hunters. Steppe riders on fermented mare’s milk. Nobody in those stories was building a day around quinoa. None were vegetarians.
The fight is over what else, if anything, belongs on the plate.
Camp 1 — Anthony Chaffee, the purist
Chaffee is the man who will not negotiate with a salad. He is a plain talker, and on the science he is on top of his game. he is the man I refer folks to when they need the basics.
He is a physician and former neurosurgical registrar in Australia. His channel sits north of half a million subscribers, and the tagline that made him famous is the one your aunt will repeat at Thanksgiving whether she likes it or not.
“Plants are trying to kill you.”
He did not invent the line. He says it came from his cancer-biology professor at the University of Washington, who told a room of undergraduates he did not eat salads, did not eat vegetables, and did not let his kids eat them either. Chaffee walked out of that lecture and started treating plants the way a bomb squad treats a ticking suitcase.
His version is blunt. Animals can run or fight. Plants sit still. So they load themselves with lectins, oxalates, phytates, saponins, and a catalog of defense chemicals that the World Health Organization itself lists as natural toxins in everyday food. Chaffee’s claim is that so-called edible plants are the ones that will not drop you in an afternoon. They can still grind on you for decades. He even says my beloved coffee is bad for us over time, no matter how much we enjoy it now.
“The idea that what we’ve been eating for millions of years is somehow extreme is, I think, extreme,” he says. “That is natural. That is proper. That is biologically appropriate to our species.”
On his plate: fatty meat, preferably ruminant. Eggs. Water. Organ meat if you want it, not because he treats liver like a sacrament. Dairy if you tolerate it. Coffee is a fight he will have with you later.
If it did not come from an animal, he wants it off the table. Fermented cabbage does not get a hall pass. Fruit does not get a hall pass because it is “natural.” Honey does not get a hall pass because some influencer rediscovered it on a beach.
His practical instruction is the one that makes dietitians reach for the fainting couch. If your results stalled, strip the plate. “Get rid of absolutely everything besides fatty meat and water and see how you go.”
He also hammers fat. Lean-only carnivore is, in his telling, a modern mistake. Ancestors hunted megafauna. Inuit eat whale and seal. Hunters keep the fat. Discard the fat and you discard the vitamins that made the diet work.
Watch him:
- Channel: Anthony Chaffee MD
- Plants Are Trying to Kill You
- Why Going STRICT Carnivore Makes ALL The Difference
- Why The Carnivore Diet ACTUALLY WORKS
- Plant Foods Aren’t Harmless
Camp 2 — Ken Berry, the spectrum man
Berry is the family doctor from Tennessee with 3.7 million subscribers and a farm voice that sounds like he might sell you a used tractor and then talk you off insulin. I love this guy. He has a diplomatic way about him that disarms even Vegans to get them healthy. He was a Big Pharma doctor, like all doctors right out of medical school. After years of being overweight himself, and him giving the info and prescribing the drugs for cholesterol, diabetes, and other issues, he realized he had to want to cure instead of make that monthly check from Big Pharma. Since then, he has cured thousands of patients of diseases that Big Pharma says there are no cures. Yet he proves it every day. Big Pharma is the enemy folks. They want to keep you sick to keep making money from you. Dr Berry simply kicks ass and takes no prisoners, but so diplomatically that the Left, and their beloved Big Pharma, always lose every debtate with the man.
He lost 70 pounds. He dumped the American Diabetes Association script. He lives, as he told Fox, on “beef, butter, bacon and eggs.”
He is also the only one of the four who will look you in the eye and admit the human race is not a clone army.
“I don’t think everyone in the world needs to adopt and stick to a carnivore diet for the rest of their life,” he says in his beginner FAQ. “But many people, most people, are going to benefit from doing a 90-day carnivore challenge.”
The Proper Human Diet. I use his terminology on it all.
That is the Berry move. Strict first. Then test. He calls the whole range the Proper Human Diet spectrum: low-carb, keto, ketovore, carnivore. Turn the carbohydrate knob down and you land on meat. Some people can creep a little fruit back after 90 days and stay lean. Some people eat one apple and watch the scale and the joints revolt. He wants you to run that experiment on yourself, not on a textbook written by a committee that still thinks breakfast cereal is a food group.
“We have not changed as a genetic species from 100,000 years ago,” he told Fox. “Therefore, our diet should be predominantly meat, or all meat.”
He also says red meat is “one of the most uninflammatory foods that a human being can eat,” which is the sentence that makes a Harvard editorial board reach for the smelling salts. Medical boards and their tainted Big Pharma ways can’t handle the facts. They can’t handle how he documents saving so many folks from the diseases that Big Pharma forces doctors to lie to their patients about, in order to sell their drugs.
Berry will let cultures be cultures. Pastoralists drink milk. Arctic hunters eat fat that would scare a cardiologist into early retirement. A man in India may tolerate a starch his Tennessee patient cannot. Berry’s hedge is not “eat the rainbow.” His hedge is: start close to zero carb, give it 90 days, then see what your particular carcass will stand.
He is the pastor of the movement. Chaffee is the monk. Berry will marry you to a ribeye and still let you visit keto on weekends if the labs stay clean.
Watch him:
Camp 3 — Sean O’Mara, the microbe man
O’Mara is the plot twist. One I admit that makes me say I am a carnivore, mostly. Why – because of what Dr O’Mara says on it all. Which makes total sense to me.
He is an MD and JD, a retired Army colonel, and the physician the papers now blame for the White House sauerkraut era. The Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and the New York Post have all taken the tour. RFK Jr. has said a carnivore protocol helped peel visceral fat off his organs. O’Mara’s name keeps landing next to that story.
The Living Diet
He does not call his protocol “just carnivore.” He calls it the Living Diet. Grass-fed ruminant flesh first. Then living ferments on every plate. Kimchi, sauerkraut, kefir, aged cheese, kvass, a refrigerator that looks like a science-fair explosion.
“Just eating Carnivore won’t do this,” he posted after Kennedy talked diet in public. “It’s the microbiome you need to target with carnivore & ferments.”
That is the heresy inside the meat church.
Chaffee and Kay treat plant matter as a toxin with a marketing department. O’Mara treats raw plants as a problem and fermented plants as a repair kit. Fermentation, he says, knocks down oxalates, lectins, and phytates. It also delivers the microbes your great-grandfather got for free when he drank from a stream, butchered with dirty hands, and did not live in a world of Purell and stainless steel.
“Your ancestors got it,” he says. “They hunted. It was all over their hands. They touched meat. They didn’t have Purell.”
He will eat fruit and vegetables only if they have been fermented. He will swirl a butter knife through kimchi water if you cannot stand the taste. He wants a serving of fermented food with every meal, and he wants you to stop treating kraut like a garnish. In his kitchen the microbes are the point. He says in many of his vids, and I have seen them all for this research ‘I chew the meat with ferments.’
He also talks MRI and visceral fat, which is why executives pay him. The Times described him holding up photos of radiator-fluid urine and calling it a good sign. That is either a flex or a warning label, depending on how much steak you ate this week.
A 2021 Cell study on fermented-food diets found more microbial diversity and lower inflammatory markers after 10 weeks. O’Mara waves that paper like a flag. The strict carnivore camp waves a different one: later work finding long-term carnivores were not sitting on collapsed gut diversity compared with matched omnivores. Both papers are small. Both sides act like they settled the war.
Watch him:
Camp 4 — Bart Kay, the man who bites the other influencers
Kay is the smallest channel and the sharpest stick. He is the guy who calls you an asshole if you are. People don’t like his blunt attitude or what others consider to be the opposite of Dr. Berry. He is our un-diplomatic carnivore, but so far ALL of his info checks out. And I’ve researched it all for our readers here at Whatfinger News.
Former senior lecturer in clinical physiology, exercise physiology, and nutrition. Consulted for the All Blacks, the Australian Defence Force, the New Zealand Army. Now he farms, runs a channel called Health Science, and spends a remarkable portion of his week explaining why the last person you watched is an imbecile.
He is a purist with a prosecutor’s hobby. I admit, after the first few vids, I started to cringe in a few as he takes apart the influencers we all know. If anyone says something incorrect, he is the first to jump down their throats.
“When I say the correct diet for a human being is hyper-carnivore, with as little plant material as possible, that’s my opinion based on my significant understanding of human physiology,” he told the Daily Mail. “The closer you can get to 100 per cent carnivore and zero plant material the better.”
Fiber, in his courtroom, is a health myth. “The exact amount of evidence anywhere that proves that fibre is beneficial for human health, or any hard health outcomes of any kind, is none whatsoever. It does not exist.”
He calls plant material anti-nutrient, toxin, irritant. He will allow eggs and dairy as plus-or-minus. He wants seed oils gone yesterday, carbohydrates gone next, and keto treated as a halfway house that still smuggles plants through the side door. His protocol: about 2 grams of protein per kilo of lean mass, fat to satiety, preferably one meal a day, ruminant meat, salt, water.
Then he starts naming names.
Paul Saladino left strict carnivore and picked up fruit and organs as a personality. Kay treats that as a cautionary tale. Joe Rogan, Tristyn Lee, Lillie Kane, Mike from Renaissance Periodization, dietitians still reciting the Eatwell plate — they all get the same service. If last year’s video contradicts this year’s video, Kay wants to know why anyone should trust either one.
“If they were wrong before, how do you know they’re not wrong now?”
He is abrasive on purpose. The other three will debate you. Kay will grade your homework in public and send it home with red ink. That is the product. People who are tired of soft talk find him. People who want a hug do not.
Watch him:
- Channel: Bart Kay — Health Science
- Everyone Is Quitting Carnivore (Here’s Why)
- Give Me 8 Minutes. I’ll Save You 10+ Years Of Carnivore Mistakes
- Scientist Explains When Carnivore Doesn’t Work
- Carnivore Diet is WORSE than We Thought?
Where they split
Plants. Chaffee and Kay treat plants as chemical warfare. Berry treats plants as optional after a 90-day reset, and he will admit some ancestries handle milk or a little starch better than others. O’Mara treats raw plants as a problem and fermented plants as medicine.
Microbes. O’Mara says the missing piece of modern carnivore is the dirty world we no longer live in. The other three say a human gut that shrank to grow a brain does not need a cabbage project to stay alive. Amber O’Hearn, one of the earliest public carnivores, put the counterpunch to O’Mara in a single line: if you choose to eat plants, fermenting helps. You can also just not eat them.
Tone. Berry is the family doctor. Chaffee is the lecturer with a rugby neck. O’Mara is the executive coach with an MRI machine. Kay is the man at the back of the conference who waits for the slide with the bad citation. (Hope you like my humor, I was a stand-up comic once. Failed miserably though. But such is life)
Fat. All four want fat on the meat. Chaffee is the loudest that lean carnivore is how people stall and feel wrecked. Kay wants fat to satiety and treats keto sticks as a toy. Berry’s catchphrase still has butter in it for a reason.
Who has to stay strict forever. Berry says no. Most people, in his telling, can do 90 days and then live somewhere on the spectrum. Chaffee and Kay want you as close to animal-only as you can stand. O’Mara wants you animal-first and microbe-heavy for the long haul.
What the official science will actually sign
Here is the part the comment section hates. There is no large, long, randomized trial that puts 10,000 people on lion diet for a decade and counts heart attacks. A recent scoping review of carnivore studies found a handful of small human papers, short durations, almost no control groups. People lose weight. Satiety goes up. Some inflammatory and metabolic markers look better. LDL and total cholesterol often go up. Fiber intake collapses. Micronutrient gaps show up on paper if you eat nothing but muscle meat and skip organs, seafood, and eggs.
Harvard Health will not recommend it. They worry about saturated fat, kidney stones, gout, bone, and the kidney’s protein load. National Geographic and BBC Science Focus repeat the fiber gospel: high fiber tracks with less colorectal cancer and better LDL in the big observational stacks.
The carnivore doctors answer that those stacks mixed hamburger with soda and seed oil, called it “red meat,” and then blamed the cow. They answer that fiber trials on constipation sometimes run the other way. They answer that Inuit and Maasai did not die of scurvy in the way a textbook says they should have.
Both sides are talking past each other. One side has population surveys and the old food-pyramid inertia. The other side has clinics, testimonials, ancestral inference, and a growing pile of n=1 labs. If you want a priesthood with a 30-year outcome trial, you will not find it on any of these four channels. If you want four men who will tell you the pyramid made a nation fat and diabetic, you will.
If you are going to try it anyway
Do not take medical advice from a news site, including this one. Talk to a doctor who will look at your kidneys, your meds, and your thyroid before you live on ribeye. Check the comments sections of the four men above. Thousands upon thousands of folks with the same ailments you have, and what they did on the advice of these men. It’s funny how wrong Big Pharma and your own doctor have been. But never forget, just decades ago doctors touted smoking as well thanks to bribes from Big Tobacco. Now they are bribed by Big Pharma, and we are all suffering for it. Doctors want that monthly check so they keep their Mercedes payments current. Many just are ignorant because they just don’t have the time to actual study anything. They figure they can write those prescriptions every day, and they know they will not be sued if they have the medical boards backing. Even if it is killing their patients. The good ones eventually break away, and Dr Berry has the best story on this, in my opinion.
If you insist on running the experiment the way these four describe it:
- Cut seed oils and sugar first. Every camp agrees on that even when they agree on nothing else.
- Eat fatty ruminant meat until you are full. Lean-only is how people feel awful and quit.
- Give it more than a week. Berry wants 90 days. Carb withdrawal is not the same thing as “this diet is killing me.”
- Then pick a camp. Purist (Chaffee). Spectrum (Berry). Steak and kraut (O’Mara). Zero-plant or fight (Kay).
- Get labs. The men who live on this food still check the blood. So should you.
The old food pyramid backed by Big Food and Big Pharma told a country to fear steak and trust cereal. They killed millions all over America with diseases they should not or need not have had. That country got heavier, sicker, and more confused. Four doctors on YouTube are offering a simpler plate and a louder argument. They are not the same doctor. They are not even the same temperament. They are all pointing at the same animal. The salad can file a dissent. The ribeye is not leaving the table.
– — The Whatfinger News Team: Michael Anthony, Health Writer for Whatfinger News. With Grok on edits and graphics.
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